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Carolingian Holy Roman Empire by Chanimur Carolingian Holy Roman Empire by Chanimur
A world where the HRE formed around Aachen and the Carolingians. It's much more centralized than the German-centered HRE of our world, with the Emperor holding much more power, an emperor in fact as well as name.

Subsequent events in this world's history include a Magyar immigration to Anatolia, not the Balkans, resulting in their eventual absorption and loss of national identity. The Avars grow into a powerful, centralized nation, as does Asturias. The Vandals survive in North Africa and are eventually converted to Islam. The Viking age concentrates its raids to the east, not willing to brave the power of the CHRE. Their one foray to the British Isles results in an invasion of Mercia by the CHRE.

Migration patterns and national origination is different in this world, as evidenced by a more westerly-oriented Poland.

One other note: the Americas were contacted by Europeans in the 13th century, but never colonized apart from scattered trading posts. As a result, many native American peoples developed strong nations of their own, on par with Europe. One of these, the Hadenosau (our world's Iroquois), is one of the strongest powers in the world, with colonies of its own in Africa and the Pacific.
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DragonStrider Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
And Bulgaria?
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Kollateralschaden Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2014
So, what languages do they speak in this world? Does the HRE speak a Germanic tongue or a latin one?
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EricVonSchweetz Featured By Owner Sep 27, 2014  Student Digital Artist
The official languages of the Holy Roman Empire is both Germanic and Latin. There after in 1815, the official languages is German and French.
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ramones1986 Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I really liked this map, especially an early unified Iberia.
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Drawnzilla Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I imagine Pechenia is a Crimean Gothic State, but correct me if I'm wrong. Very creative idea to have he Magyar fade away in Anatolia, like the Galatians. Unfortunately, my precious Byzantium is still struggling. But, at least she's still there.
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kasumigenx Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
I really like this map..
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fredrikslicer Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2014
successions must be hell
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JacekIINowy Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2013
There is no German and Russian ... I really like this world!
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wupto Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Holy Roman Empire was "Germany" back then, also there's Rusmark.
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JacekIINowy Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2014
German 20%, French 25%, Italians 10%, English 10%, the rest 35%.
It is a Union of Nations, not the German state. There will be no world wars :)
Little Russia is not a threat :)
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Tomos2013 Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2013
I find the UK having loads of small nations really interesting so I'm big on this. 
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Tamfang Featured By Owner May 4, 2013
Seems to me the ruler of all of Spain would adopt a grander title than "king of a little corner of Spain". Ever look at the list of the king's titles in OTL?
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doliwaq Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2013
Poland with territory of Elbe, Vandalusia, Asturia, Avaria, Strathclyde, Khazaria, Pechenia, Carinthia, Frisia, Volgaria... So many cool country's!
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SigmaCore Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Like many others, I too would be interested in seeing these 'Hadenosau' colonies on a continental map of Africa, or a world map altogether. If only to see how the Native American powers developed. :)
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CUTANGUS Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
This map convinces me more than the alternative, in which the Spanish Reconquista did not take place and the peninsula is almost entirely occupied by the Caliphate of Cordoba.
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Aenek-Lycaon Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2011
Wow, very well done! A great idea for PoD, did an excellent job of showing the changes throughout the world (or at least the map coverage), and best of all it's all believable! I hope to see more from you soon :)
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Sapiento Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
Really cool concept!!!
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Imuildaeren Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2011
Strathclydes went mental :P i had an idea of Magyars going into Anatolia but they survived. I wonder if its language developes like Welsh much.
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TheAresProject Featured By Owner May 28, 2011  Hobbyist Artist
Cool!

This also seems to imply that the feuds within Francia have ended in Austrasia's favour, as they've annexed bits of land from both Burgundy and Neustria.
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frazamm Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2011
Very interested to know how Malta came to be part of the Hodenasau Empire.
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Chanimur Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm working (slowly) on a world map that'll explain part of that.
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QuantumBranching Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2012
It's been a year and a half - hurry it up!! :)
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frazamm Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2011
I was wondering if you knew anything about Maltese history. 1796 is actually quite close to the day the Knights Hospitaller of Malta were forced to abandon the islands by Napoleon in 1798 on his way to Egypt.
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Chanimur Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I know a bit about Malta, but not in the Napoleonic era, so that makes kind of a nifty coincidence, date-wise. I'll have to work that in somehow.
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frazamm Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2011
If you need info let me know. I'm Maltese after all.
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Rarayn Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2011
This is a really interesting map. There's a lot of cool ideas in play here, but for some reason the alternate migration patters of Poland is what caught my attention. Interesting PoD to use for alternate borders.

Out of curiosity, what is the Severyan Empire? Some sort of Lithuanian empire, or are the alternate migration patterns in play again here?

Also; is the Kingdom of Gotarmark simply a unified Norway and Sweden, or did Gotland somehow end up being the dominant power of Scandinavia?
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Chanimur Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Severya is descended from the OTL Severians, a union of Slavic tribes who in this world survived and centralized.

Gotarmark is indeed a polity in which Gotland is the principle unit.
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Rarayn Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2011
That sounds awesome. How did Gotland end up in such a position of power and importance?
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Chanimur Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
My thought was that with the British Isles pretty much a non-starter for the Vikings, they concentrated on the east instead, and Gotland became THE major power-projection base of operations, with ever-increasing power and influence. At one point most of the north, including Gotarmark, Danemark, and Rusmark, was united by them as one empire.

Man, I should really redo this map someday. Maybe do a world map too...
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Rarayn Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2011
Ah, I see. Does this mean that Norwegian Vikings never went further west either? (Iceland etc.)

A world map would be interesting, yeah. I'm sure I'm not the only one with a wish to see the full extent of the Hadenosau Empire. :3
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Chanimur Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yep, exactly; no Scandinavian Iceland or Greenland. They were settled in this timeline by the Irish.

I'm motivated to do a world map now I think. :D
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Todyo1798 Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I consider myself a patient man, but you sir promised us a world map >:(

Or at least give us more details so someone else can have a go at it!
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Rarayn Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2011
When did Ireland start its colonization? I seem to remember Ireland having a pretty low population for a lot of its history, so I don't know if there'd be much interest for any major colonization endeavours. (Unless they wanted to escape the "no land ownership" parts of Gaelic Law, I guess.)

Awesome, I look forward to seeing it. Subscribed. :D
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LSCatilina Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2011  Hobbyist Artist
I like. Neverending Carolingian world.
Strange libyian/egyptian border, tough
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JohnnyDart76 Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2011
Hey.........I like the HRE setup and I'm really impressed by Native American expansion, but then again, there are a few things which are borderline ASBish like Rusmark{unless the Russians were completely wiped out or assimilated, neither of which occurred in OTL.}, and Khazaria{hey, I'd like to see a surviving independent Jewish state too, but with the Mongols they'd be as good as dead without the lack of butterflies.}, and especially the Vandal/Muslim state. I know it has a PoD from long ago, but I do honestly think there is room for improvement.

With all that said, you have still made a nice map and it has now gone into my favorites.............have a good one now. =)
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AmongTheSatanic Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2010  Hobbyist Artist
Indian states conquering the world with colonies ?!? WORLD MAP NAO D:<
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Chanimur Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hmm... maybe...
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htilden42 Featured By Owner Aug 19, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
Nice.
I really like the alternate names, especially the ones in Eastern Europe.
Also, surviving Byzantine Empire, yay!
The only real criticism I have is that the border between Barqah and the Sarakene Caliphate is the OTL Egypt-Libya border.
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XcombatX Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2010
Oh yeah, go Frisia! :D
Just wondering; how did the Frisians remain independent with such powers surrounding it?
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Chanimur Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Logically, maybe they wouldn't. But I thought they made a good buffer kingdom; they're probably reinforced by Danemark, Gotarmark, maybe even Northumbria to prevent further Carolingian expansion.
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XcombatX Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2010
That's possible under such circumstances and awesome none the less. As an ethnic Frisian I think it sucks that we were conquered by the Franks back in 734, since the kingdom could've had a lot of potential. :)
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Varezart Featured By Owner May 16, 2010
Im from Spain, from Asturias.

I have to say that i like the Kingdom of Asturias. hehe
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evolutionofbirds Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2009
The Holy Roman Empire looks more like the land of the Franks, in history wasn't the Holy Roman Empire part of Frank land.

Shouldn't it be Eastern Roman Empire not Byzantium Empire, because I thought that name was not used by them.
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Chanimur Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2009  Hobbyist Digital Artist
1. That's basically what it is - a more centralized Frankish/Carolingian state.

2. Probably, but I thought 'Byzantium' looked better on this map. :p
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